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"We're all immigrants"

edited 2011-08-01 21:00:03 in General
CRIMINAL SCUM!
No. We're not. I don't know about you, person who is making this stupid statement. But I was born in this country.

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  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Your parents' parents' parents' parents' etc. weren't though. The point is that people had to come here for you to be here.
  • That's not a point though.

    That's like saying "slavery was my fault" just because one of my ancestors did it.

    The ONLY thing that is hereditary is genes, not nationality, or criminality, or anything else.
  • edited 2011-08-01 21:09:09
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    You still benefit from being white, which is indirectly resultant of slavery, just as you benefit from your grandparents' immigration.

    The point people are making is that for you to be here, other people had to come, and a lot of them faced the same persecution current immigrants are, so don't be a dick to them.

    This shouldn't be an issue.
  • I'm not a dick to them. I'm just saying. I'm not an immigrant. It's a fallacious statement. It doesn't matter who came before.

    Also, the point people are trying to make with the statement isn't that. It's "You can't say nothin caus UR an immigrant too hurr durr!"
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    You still benefited from immigration. 'You're an immigrant' rolls off the tongue better than 'You benefitted from centuries of immigration and should keep that in mind.'

    and guess what? If your parents came here on a boat, there really isn't much you can say.
  • I'm not sure I've ever heard it phrased that exact way.  Usually I've heard the phrase «America is a nation of immigrants» and references to $ANTI_IMMIGRATION_ACTIVIST's Irish grandparents or whatever.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    "dumb statement" snarky reply thread? Why sure.
  • edited 2011-08-01 22:52:37
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    The only time I ever say this to people who are not Native Americans who think that merely being born here gives them the right to say that they're better than immigrants and children of immigrants, generally of races other than white.
  • They're somethin' else.
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  • Electric Boogaloo
    As someone who actually did descend from savage injuns and the like, I also think it's fucking stupid when people tell natural-born Americans that they're immigrants. I don't tell my American-born Hispanic friends to get the fuck out because their parents are from El Salvadore. If you're born in a country, you're a citizen of that country, not an immigrant; no matter what your familial situation is. Sins of the Father is shitty logic.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    The point is not to tell people to fuck off a country, but to be accepting of inmigrants.
  • "You still benefited from immigration."

    I benefited from being born here. Not from anything my great grand whatever-parents did.

    I don't even see what your point is, since that is still a significant difference between what you're saying and what the threat title is. Unless you're trying to argue that its a different way of saying the same thing, which is not true.
  • edited 2011-08-01 23:42:55
    Electric Boogaloo
    ^^I am, just not of the illegal ones, regardless of race.

    Also, learn English and wave a fucking American flag for once. If you're so keen on celebrating your culture, why the fuck did you leave your culture's homeland? Oh, that's right. Because the country you immigrated to has better opportunities for you. BUT YA STILL GOTTA REP THE MOTHERLAND, GOOD OLD MOTHERLAND THAT WE COULDN'T WAIT TO LEAVE!
  • edited 2011-08-01 23:47:11
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    It is not a dichotomy. 

    Emigrating to the US does not equate with Hating the country of origin.  And Loving the culture were one grew up is not equal with Hating the US.

    At least, that's what your post seems to imply to me. I apologize if that wasn't your point.
  • edited 2011-08-01 23:50:21
    Electric Boogaloo
    No, but when you're trying to argue that you should be allowed to live and work in the US just 'cuz, it's usually best not to go parading around with your old country's flag and refusing to speak english. You wanna live and work here? Fine, but learn the culture you moved to and practice it. You might find that the locals are a lot more accepting of you.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    And english is such an easy language to learn? Don't be so presumptuous, people in the US don't like those foreign accents, even when the accent can be understood, to most people one will be just a foreigner. I can agree about learning the culture, though.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    "I benefited from being born here."

    And you wouldn't have been born here if you're grandparents didn't come to America, and you benefited from that.

    This not a difficult concept. Do try and keep up.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    ^Once again, Sins of the Father is shitty logic.

    ^^English is one of the hardest languages to learn. But it's the principle of the matter. Hell, I learned enough German (Swiss dialect), Italian, and Finnish to at least let the locals there know what the fuck I was trying to say, even if it wasn't enough for an interesting conversation, just to visit those places for 3 weeks. And I learned quite a bit of Japanese when I was mistakenly under the impression that I was going to be stationed there. I learned enough Pashto to be able to effectively do my job when I went over to Afghanistan, and quickly picked up on it once I got over there.

    Did I need to do any of that? No. The friends and family I was visiting in Europe could have easily acted as my interpreters, I would have been assigned to a base of mostly english speakers in Japan, and my platoon was assigned a 'terp while we were in the Ghan. And I've never been especially good at learning languages, either. Four years of Spanish classes in middle/high school, and I still can't understand a lick of it. But I still attempt to learn the native language when I travel to a foreign country, whether to live, work, or visit. It's just the polite thing to do.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    You are making the wrong emphasis. I don't mean that the local language's difficulty should be an excuse to don't learn it, but there's a difference between learning basic communication phrases to get by and survive, that is to learn the language to effectively live for an indefinite amount of time with the locals. You have taken crash courses in a few languages, good for you. But that doesn't translate well into how xenophobic can people be when you intonate the wrong syllable or mistime your responses or don't use the correct phoneme because it isn't part of your native tongues phonemes, there's also figures of speech, and metaphors, and huge load of crap that is required for day-to-day activities, that aren't really required when you are living there for a relatively short amount of time.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    What I'm talking about has nothing to with sins of the father. It has to do with what fathers do to ensure their children have better lives.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    I can handle an accent. I'm not gonna hate on someone just because they have an accent, thick or thin. It's when I can't understand a single word they're fucking saying, because they're speaking an entirely different language, that kind of pisses me off.

    And if you want to speak your native tongue in your own house, that's cool. Knock yourself out. You want to have little-[country of origin] in your apartment, go for it. But when you're out in public, and speaking directly with the locals, it's the least you can do to speak the locals' language.
  • You can change. You can.
    While I disagree with Scrye's phrasing, I do agree with his general idea. 

    I had a more thoughtful post, but connection shorted out on me. I want to point this out.

     there's also figures of speech, and metaphors, and huge load of crap that is required for day-to-day activities

    Meraphors and figures of speech are a cultural deal rather than a language deal in most cases.
  • edited 2011-08-02 00:37:36
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    @Scrye2:I can agree with that.

    @Juancarlos: Eh, yes? And it doesn't really matter if your pronounciation is perfect, and your grammar impecable, if you lack the understanding of the metaphors and figures of speech, you are still not really a speaker on native-level.
  • "And you wouldn't have been born here if you're grandparents didn't come to America, and you benefited from that."

    It's not a point because it still doesn't make me an immigrant.
  • edited 2011-08-02 02:38:16
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    It does, however, mean that if it were not for an illegal immigrant a long time ago, you would not be here.

    Then again, if it were not for shoddy condom manufacterers neither would I. Oh well.
  • An immigrant is defined as someone who migrates to another country for residence.

    If you are born in a country, you are a citizen, not an immigrant. To be an immigrant, YOU have to have migrated from somewhere.
  • Parasites immigrated from the outside world into my body, but my body's immigration policy isn't doing so great x_x


  • Thane of rum-guzzling and necromancy

    People will remain immigrants if they stick to the culture and language of their parents/grandparents' home country. A Pakistani who can't speak proper English, who adheres to imported Pakistani cultural norms, can't be considered British. You cannot call yourself a citizen of your parents' adopted country if you don't actually integrate.  


    Also, racial homelands. Europe is still the racial homeland of White people, just as East Asia belongs to the Orientals. This isn't to say that other races can't immigrate to others' homelands, but they should remain firmly in the minority, and this sort of preservation should be national policy. You'd think that Western countries in particular would have learned from colonialism just how much immigration can change a country, and watched out for the warning signs of an invasion of foreigners. Europeans should not accept mass immigration and cultural extinction as a punishment for imperialism.

  • Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    People they come together
    People they fall apart
    No one can stop us now
    'Cause we are all made of stars
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