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Games-as-art threads
They are dumb. Because every time one gets created, you always get the same few dumb arguments from people shrieking about how any focus on being a serious work of art will instantly turn games into something resembling a crude caricature of what they imagine arthouse films to be like.
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I'm just going to say that just in case the same argument is brought up here.
I wonder what GLORIOUSLeader feels about this...
But in my experience, my problem with "art" is that people always seem to take the stance that something is only "artistic" if it's "deep and relevant" IE full of boring navel-gazing and purdy pictures or what not.
Call me nuts, but I think Ecco the Dolphin, Street Fighter II Turbo, Devil Crash and X-Multiply are better arguments for "games as art" than all the Final Fantasy games in the world.
(Didn't particularly like Ico but Shadow of the Colossus was beyond awesome).
"you always get the same few dumb arguments from people shrieking out how any focus on being a serious work of art "
I could (poorly) articulate my thoughts on the vidcons art debate, but when I pertinently know I'll only get passive-aggresive one word replies and youtube embeds, what's the point.
(mop, bitch, piss, whine, soap, ect).
but you've made me that serious. As hard as it may be for you to fathom, some of
us here are actual fans of the Final Fantasy series (pre FFX) and Square's work
in general. You can try to bash me for an avatar that I bought because I happen
to be a dedicated fan of perhaps the most poignant, painstakingly woven tapestry
of love, loss and vengeance ever to be put from pen to paper, but you would
fail, just like all of you flamers do in real life. Who can say that the minds
at Square Enix (note: appropriate portmanteau is SQUENIX, not the laughable
SQUEENIX) were not inspired by the works of William Shakespeare or Chuck
Palahniuk? Cloud's bastard sword has more akin with the bastard sons of Macbeth
than it does any armament of basilard of the time. The Honey Bee Club in Midgar
reminds me more of the Fight Clubs than any brothel. So please, use your brains,
not your sarcasm, and step up to the intellectual plate, or leave this forum and
take your "haterade" with you.
Not that this is relevant to the discussion, but agreed.
Not necessarily. Some people will just look for a way to dismiss your views out of hand.
They're plot-heavy, which I'd guess is what they're getting at.
They are dumb. Because every time one gets created, you always get the same few dumb arguments from people shrieking about how any focus on being a serious work of art will instantly turn games into something resembling a crude caricature of what they imagine arthouse films to be like.
I agree in that I rarely find such threads to really be "productive" per se.
On the topic at hand, I admit that I do not have a strong opinion about whether video games count as art. I do not really see a great reason why they should not be though since they certainly contain artwork in them.
I feel like what is more important from a video game fan perspective is that games get respect for the artistic elements they contain rather than being dismissed as trivial and primitive time wasters. While I am not one to argue that every game is incredibly artistic or deep, partially because I do not have a good understanding of what those words mean, I feel like giving video games and their creators credit is more important than whether or not one can apply the word "art" to them.
No.
"I feel like what is more important from a video game fan perspective is that games get respect for the artistic elements they contain rather than being dismissed as trivial and primitive time wasters. While I am not one to argue that every game is incredibly artistic or deep, partially because I do not have a good understanding of what those words mean, I feel like giving video games and their creators credit is more important than whether or not one can apply the word "art" to them."
I have noticed mainstream culture has become more accepting of video games recently, likely because the people that grew up playing them have, well, grew up and taken their love of games with them.
Also, Myr. Were you trolling Mammalsauce or not? Just curious.
And it is funny to me.
Also, really, as long as nobody is screaming to get violent games lumped in with porn, I'm okay. I play Indie games at around the same measure that I play larger, AAA-level games like TF2, Brink and Deus Ex and I like doing that.
"Not everyone, especially on the Tv Tropes forum, think that's a good thing..."
Haven't been on the TvTropes forum in months, but please elaborate.
Viewtiful Joe