Are deconstructions subjective and a point of view, rather than a form of analysis?

Vorpy · 2011-09-01 16:36:05

The reason I ask this is because people have been posting the Anime that shall not be named as a deconstructive work because the author is female, and because instead of using fanservice as a way to appeal to the fans, they use it as a way to display how wrong children are sexualized in japan....and...yeah.

I argued that deconstruction isn't the right terminology for it, nor is fanservice being deconstructed by...being played straight, but it doesn't matter if a girl or a guy is writing the anime that shall not be named, because if Fanfiction is proof of anything, but women AND men can be attracted to children, of the same sex, in a sexual manner regardless of gender.

This made me think, what is a deconstruction really? Is the point of view of the reader to decide that basis correctly and accurately, or are there rules and conditions that must be met before a deconstruction can take place?

Bob · 2011-09-01 16:38:58

The reason I ask this is because people have been posting the Anime that shall not be named as a deconstructive work because the author is female,

Wait, really?

and because instead of using fanservice as a way to appeal to the fans, they use it as a way to display how wrong children are sexualized in japan....and...yeah.

It does? Do any of the fans know that?

Seriously, I never knew that that... thing was a deconstruction of anything. Does it matter if it's a deconstruction if, to an outside viewer, it looks as if it's playing straight whatever it's actually deconstructing?

Vorpy · 2011-09-01 16:40:53

I don't know. After the SA discussion and the TVTSucProj, I was questioning the meaning of deconstruction.

Bob · 2011-09-01 16:41:52

So, how is it a deconstruction?

Vorpy · 2011-09-01 16:44:01

I do not know. It is not a deconstruction at all.

GLORIOUSLeader · 2011-09-01 16:46:00

It's pedophiles actually pretending that no Jikan is deep and philosophical. My god. In all the times we made fun if them, I didn't know they still existed.

Bob · 2011-09-01 16:48:01

So, it's like porn-addicts calling porn "art", only with a paedophilic spin on it. Wonderful.

nohaynicklibre · 2011-09-01 16:50:00

That reminds me of that entry in Gushing About shows you Like. Let's see if I can find it...

Kodomo no Jikan : Loads and loads of Lolicon?? Check! Fanservice filled to the brim? Check!! Fanservice based on all the cute lolis with pantyshot filled to the brim? CHECK!! This is THE best anime that involves fanservice! Too bad some idiot in Anime News Network and a couple of prudes
around the internet had a vendetta to kill any chance this series have
in the West...worst part being those complaining about the series
obviously DidNotDoTheResearch. Talk about Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch.

Vorpy · 2011-09-01 16:50:51

Well like the whole "True Art" thing going on, I thought "Deconstructions" went by the same standards, and a deconstruction is whatever you want it to be at first, then I read the TVTSucProj and I began to go, "um, fuck no Drawn Together isn't a deconstruction of reality TV" and I began to see other things that did not feel right anymore.

Bob · 2011-09-01 16:55:59

^^...Wut.

^Oddly enough, I was going to use Drawn Together as an example in my previous post instead of porn.

Also, link?

Chagen · 2011-09-01 16:58:39

While I have not actually read it, I swear I remember reading from reputable people that it doesn't exactly portray pedophillic relationships as good. At all.

Now, whether or not this is actually true remains to be seen.

Vivi · 2011-09-01 16:59:14

Drawn Together isn't so much a deconstruction at all, as it is a parody.

If it was a deconstruction...I guess it would be a mockumentary about the lives of really boring, normal people, and the boring normal things they do?

RedEyedAbyss · 2011-09-01 17:03:12

Maybe someone can put an abridged summary of the plot here so we can spare people from actually looking at the damn thing.

Counterclock · 2011-09-01 17:59:29

What is it supposed to be deconstructing?

Is the main question.

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 18:01:33

From what I understand, it's supposed to be deconstructing the sexualization of kids (AKA Lolicon) themselves. The problem is that if it does, then it shouldn't have a fanbase that enjoys said sexualization. Unless they're missing the point.

Which they probably are, mind.

Then again, if it was a critique of said attitude, it shouldn't draw said fans.

So...if it's a deconstruction, then it fails. Hard.

MadassAlex · 2011-09-01 18:03:50

Although deconstruction is subjective, because it depends on the point of view of the audience. NGE couldn't be deconstructive without the mecha anime tropes that came before it, and to people who haven't seen mecha anime, NGE is just a thing.

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 18:07:57

Not to me.

I didn't need to watch mecha previously to Eva to understand that it wasn't just deconstructing Mecha. It was also deconstructing Shounen.

MoeDantes · 2011-09-01 18:14:30

Are deconstructions subjective and a point of view, rather than a form of analysis?

Uh, YES. Because what is "typical" for one guy is "a breath of fresh air" for another. You even have situations where what was once a deconstruction itself becomes typical (see: 90s Superheroes).

MadassAlex · 2011-09-01 18:18:06

^^ Mecha is almost by definition shounen anyway, and was entirely shounen at that point, I think.

Chagen · 2011-09-01 19:01:04

"From what I understand, it's supposed to be deconstructing the sexualization of kids (AKA Lolicon) themselves. The problem is that if it does, then it shouldn't have a fanbase that enjoys said sexualization. Unless they're missing the point.

Which they probably are, mind."

Misaimed Fandom will always exist, and no story can avert that.

Just look at Eva and Rei.

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 20:26:57

^^ Mecha is almost by definition shounen anyway, and was entirely shounen at that point, I think.

My point is that you don't necessarily have to enjoy mecha to understand what NGE was deconstructing. It wasn't just simply the mecha tropes, but stuff like sending kids into battle (One of the very bases of shounen, as it is aimed at kids) is throughly examined for what it is.

Misaimed Fandom will always exist, and no story can avert that.

Just look at Eva and Rei.

Funny thing about Rei: As much as she's fetishized, she's fetishized without missing the point of the work (AKA: People like her because she's a emotionally stunted and inexpressive person. Not despite)

Counterclock · 2011-09-01 21:05:22

@Juan, but people also complain about Shinji being a wimp

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 21:13:26

Yes. And that's the point of the story. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

I'm not saying that there isn't Misaimed Fandom within Evangelion. I'd be insane to do that. What I'm arguing is simply that as a deconstructive work, Kodomo No Jikan fails. If the intention is to portray lolicon as a perversion and something inherently wrong, then having so much fanservice about it and not playing it for full disturbing value and instead as comedic is not a logical step to take

(I'm going by word of mouth of what people have said in positive light about the show)

Counterclock · 2011-09-01 21:15:31

@Juan, I know, it just kind of bugs me when people do that XD

what about Watchmen?

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 21:17:40

It's a work written by a bearded God who worships a snake God and is a vegetarian who is actually a British fisher who fishes the fishes known as stories out of the sea that is known as imagination.

I might or might not have stolen this line from Neil Gaiman.

Bob · 2011-09-01 21:18:07

I still don't believe the Animu that must not be named is a deconstruction. A series with some old guy perving on little girls who constantly gets his ass kicked, that would be a deconstruction (and, most likely, thoroughly enjoyable). A series wherein little girls act like complete whores involving copious amounts of fanservice from said girls, that's just a typical lolicon series. What about it counts as a deconstruction?

Chagen · 2011-09-01 21:20:34

From what I've heard, it is a deconstruction mainly because apparently damn near every character is supposedly horribly fucked up in the head.

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 21:23:19

I still don't believe the Animu that must not be named is a deconstruction. A series with some old guy perving on little girls who constantly gets his ass kicked, that would be a deconstruction (and, most likely, thoroughly enjoyable). A series wherein little girls act like complete whores involving copious amounts of fanservice from said girls, that's just a typical lolicon series. What about it counts as a deconstruction?

Pretty much.

From what I've heard, it is a deconstruction mainly because apparently damn near every character is supposedly horribly fucked up in the head.

the problem is that this characters are all mentally unhealthy, but their craziness is played for maximum lulziness.

GLORIOUSLeader · 2011-09-01 21:23:56

Tell that to the pedophiles that worship it, then.

Better yet: go on TVTropes and tell everybody that it's a deconstruction to see how they react.

(Note: do not do this)

Bob · 2011-09-01 21:24:07

^^^See, that would make sense if it weren't for the fanservice.

^What, you're sick of seeing threads full of paedophiles circlejerking?

MillerCross · 2011-09-01 21:27:36

^What, you're sick of seeing threads full of paedophiles circlejerking?

but paedophiles don't like other paedophiles

it's like...human nature and stuff

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