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General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

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  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    You know what, at this point this is no worse a comment than serious analyses. I think I would even trust them less.
  • edited 2025-04-13 02:07:06
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    so a rather obnoxious-looking clickbait video showed up on the suggested panel after i watched something else:
    Judge Laughs at Elon Musk in Court—Then Gets Stunned by His Legal Genius!

    Beyond Realities

    I decided to check out the associated YouTube channel, curious whether it's a channel with a bunch of wingnut content.

    The channel -- Beyond Realities -- turns out to be basically a daily (or twice-daily) Elon Musk shilling channel. Many of its videos have four or five digit viewcounts, though some have broken into the six digits and a few have gone further, probably from being randomly suggested to people. This includes the one I ran across, which has over 2.1 million views. There are a few other videos featuring other people, including one involving J.D. Vance which has about 1.5 million views.

    I am not kidding about it being an Elon Musk shilling channel. Here are its last twelve uploads:
    Elon Musk Overhears Teen Crying in McDonald’s—What He Does Will Leave You In Tears!
    Beyond Realities • 4,724 views • 16 hours ago

    A Barista Gives Elon Musk a Free Coffee—His Tip Leaves Everyone in Shock!
    Beyond Realities • 4,463 views • 1 day ago

    Billionaire Laughs at Elon Musk’s Thoughts on Education—Regrets It Seconds Later
    Beyond Realities • 2,115 views • 1 day ago

    Homeless Man Offers Elon Musk Half His Sandwich—What Happens Next is Beautiful!
    Beyond Realities • 7,315 views • 2 days ago

    Elon Musk Sees a Retired Tesla Engineer Driving Uber—What He Does Next Shocks Everyone
    Beyond Realities • 4,746 views • 2 days ago

    Elon Musk Spots a Disabled Veteran Selling Snacks—His Response Leaves Bystanders in Tears
    Beyond Realities • 5,878 views • 3 days ago

    Elon Musk Gets a Text From His Mother at 3AM—She Wants to Know If He's Eating Enough
    Beyond Realities • 4,507 views • 4 days ago

    Elon Musk Gets a Message From a Homeless Man Claiming to Be His Brother—What Follows Is Insane
    Beyond Realities • 5,691 views • 4 days ago

    Elon Musk Realizes the One Thing Money Could Never Fix — And It Changed Everything
    Beyond Realities • 25,962 views • 5 days ago

    Elon Musk Walks Into a Room of Billionaires—Then Destroys Everything They Thought About Him
    Beyond Realities • 35,246 views • 5 days ago

    Elon Musk Told a Joke at a Serious Conference—Nobody Laughed… Until This Happened
    Beyond Realities • 7,261 views • 6 days ago

    A Homeless Man Walks Up to Elon Musk and Asks for a Job—What Happens Next Becomes a Global Movement
    Beyond Realities • 7,227 views • 6 days ago

    Every one of these is 1.5 to 2.5 hours long.

    The best part is this: on the channel description it says "The stories presented on this channel are entirely fictional and crafted solely for entertainment. Any resemblance to real events, individuals, or situations is purely coincidental and unintentional. These narratives are not intended to depict, reference, or represent any actual occurrences, persons, or entities."

    So it's a bunch of lies. But the resemblance to real individuals does seem to be *quite* intentional...
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    I was cringing even before you mentioned it's fake, and now I am... double-cringing? I mean, it's either cringeworthy and sinister at the same time, or not sinister, but so cringeworthy it goes beyond cringe and becomes plain sad.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Addendum: I'm pretty sure it's AI slop.

    The rate at which it pumps out content aroused my suspicion, and then checking further I noticed that there is at least one preview pic that has an item that I don't think exists in real life.

    Only curious wrinkle is that the account started uploading videos (at this breakneck pace) four months ago, in January, whereas the account was created in September 2013. I'm curious (though I'm not sure I'll ever find out) whether it's a hijacked or purchased account that's been repurposed.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Addendum: I'm pretty sure it's AI slop.
    Cringeworthy and sinister, it is then. Did the account have any content before the slop? I would prefer not to grace them with as much as a single visit, so I'd rather not go see for myself.

    Also, I've recently been meaning to ask you. What's the deal with passport requirement for voting? Like, around here we're all issued with an ID card that's then required for all bureaucratic stuff, voting included. You gotta be a registered voter at a given place, they see if it checks out, we sign on a list, here's your ballot. So on one hand I understand there must be some sinister ploy to it if there's so much fuss on both sides, on the other it doesn't sound so when taken purely at face value.
  • edited 2025-04-14 23:22:51
    Addendum: I'm pretty sure it's AI slop.

    I thought that was a given.

    That's probably what the internet will look like in a couple years.
    Like, around here we're all issued with an ID card that's then required for all bureaucratic stuff, voting included. You gotta be a registered voter at a given place, they see if it checks out, we sign on a list, here's your ballot. So on one hand I understand there must be some sinister ploy to it if there's so much fuss on both sides, on the other it doesn't sound so when taken purely at face value.

    Same here.

    The closest thing I know is the US's Social Security Number weirdness, where it's not supposed to be a form of identification but it's still used as some sort of personal (secret) password for important non-governmental stuff.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Did the account have any content before the slop?
    No, or it has been deleted.

    (You can check the channel without playing any videos.)
    Also, I've recently been meaning to ask you. What's the deal with passport requirement for voting? Like, around here we're all issued with an ID card that's then required for all bureaucratic stuff, voting included. You gotta be a registered voter at a given place, they see if it checks out, we sign on a list, here's your ballot. So on one hand I understand there must be some sinister ploy to it if there's so much fuss on both sides, on the other it doesn't sound so when taken purely at face value.
    There's no nationwide ID card, or even statewide ID card.

    Also, voter lists are usually maintained locally (at the county level).

    Generally, it's states that decide what form of identification people have to bring to verify their identity at a polling place in order to vote. States also issue driver's licenses, which commonly serve as ID. (The same state agencies that issue driver's licenses generally issue non-driver IDs, which are uncommon because driving is sadly pretty much required to do anything as an adult in the U.S., but do exist.)

    But there's a level of politicization surrounding what forms of ID are acceptable to admit a voter. For example, which of the following should be allowed?
    * student IDs for universities
    * firearms licenses
    * voter registration/information card (a card issued by the local registrar of voters, that contains the voter's name, reg number, district numbers, polling place, etc.)

    Those first two are a good illustration of how it can be politicized. If you want to facilitate students participating in the electoral process, change the rules to allow this form of ID. If you want students to be inconvenienced and discouraged from voting, change the rules so that student IDs aren't allowed (and students would have to go out of their way to request a state-issued ID, for example). So you'll see stuff like, in some Republican/conservative/right-leaning places, there may be policies and/or policy proposals that say things like student IDs aren't allowed but firearms licenses are, because gun owners typically lean Republican while students typically lean Democratic. These sorts of policy aspects can make a difference in close races, and more generally put more burden to drive turnout on whoever's inconvenienced and their political allies.

    Also, due to the perceived risk of in-person voter fraud, it's popular to require that IDs contain a photo of the voter -- something that driver's licenses generally have, though voter registration cards (like what I mentioned above) often don't. (Though, research has shown that in-person voter fraud -- i.e. people going to a polling place pretending to be someone else -- is quite rare.)

    Traditionally, it's been held that the more people participating, the better. In the matter of actual implementation, there are more wrinkles, however. Over the past few decades, the conventional wisdom has been that liberals want to make voting easy and accessible to more people, while conservatives want to make voting more secure and deter illegitimate voters, in part because the Democratic/liberal coalition has traditionally had more poor people and disadvantaged minorities while the Republican/conservative coalition has traditionally had people with more financial and social means. These coalitions may be changing over time, though, what with the Dem coalition picking up more college-educated voters who are generally plugged in to political happenings, while the Repub coalition has proven (under the influence of Trump at least) to have picked up various voters who are less typically engaged by the political process.

    Absentee/mail ballots and early voting are also aspects that have, unsurprisingly, had curious political dimensions. It used to be conventional wisdom that absentee ballots favored Republicans while early voting favored Democrats, but this basically got turned on its head over the pandemic, for reasons (partly related to COVID skepticism on right).
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    Anyways, since we're talking about YouTube AI slop farms, I'd like to point out that many anti-Elon Musk slop farms exist too, and actually lately there are a lot of pro-Ibrahim Traore slop farms which is super concerning because the guy is literally a military dictator.
    Traore.jpg
  • edited 2025-04-30 15:26:59
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    That AI slop channel I posted about earlier, I actually dug deeper into that and posted about it in a chat.

    Found out that based on its uploads it seems to have its attention directed at various topics at arbitrary but bunched-up times. From its earlier videos there are a bunch of videos about Tom Cruise, about Denzel Washington, a bunch of videos about a black waitress, a handful about Christianity, and sundry other topics. It started off with a spate of general life advice videos, but it seems to have since shifted away from that.

    More recently I came across like that. Clickbait videos with literally the same title uploaded across multiple channels.

    joptjloso2t1.png

    Thankfully I have ways to see this crap less often, but it's still cropping up.
  • edited 2025-05-01 14:02:40
    There is love everywhere, I already know
    "AI will make everything better!"

    AI: [slop]

    Anyways, when those dumb libs were yelling at the top of their lungs about how Donald Trump would try to upend the rule of law and prioritize empowering sycophants over people qualified for the positions, I thought they were making it up.

    And yet...

    Also, I think the most interesting thing to come of this is the ongoing war on non-profit scientific research and development.

    Another interesting aspect of Full on War on Literally All Immigration (because yeah, I guess), is this thing where apparently, being an international student on an American campus means you have less free speech rights than normal Americans. I mean, gosh, I am not a fan of Pro-Palestinian movements (I'd use more polite language but eh) but that's a very not good reason for locking up Pro-Palestinian voices in detention centres.

    If I knew this was the monkey's paw for getting rid of DEI and [this topic has been removed for its potential to cause pervasive thread derailment], I'd have just taken the DEI. At least that stuff is funny.
  • edited 2025-05-02 02:44:34
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Them wingnuts kinda wrote an entire book detailing their plans, after all. The "dumb libs" didn't even have to make anything up.

    Also, not even citizens can be considered safe: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo / https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/26/us-citizen-children-deported-ice/
  • edited 2025-05-02 03:59:57
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Also, in a separate post:
    [this topic has been removed for its potential to cause pervasive thread derailment]
    Y'know, frankly...

    Well lemme back up a tad. A week or so ago I ran across John Oliver's YouTube video about trans people in sports.

    I watched the whole thing, and I've been wanting to share it since. Because it (2) surprised me that it doesn't have as much stupid and irrelevant gags as the usual John Oliver video (based on my observations), and more importantly, (1) has what I think is a pretty decent commentary on the issue, recognizing what I'd say are some pretty reasonable considerations.

    Been wondering whether I should post it. I really want to share it. But...well, I know you're the resident transphobe, and I wondered whether I should keep a lid on that stuff. But then again, that's a thing I don't like about you, and I've even caught hell for putting up with this.


    (Also, frankly, I have other things to say about DEI, too. Not all of it charitable, even.)


    Edit/update after the next post: i think writing up this post made me stop giving a shit
  • edited 2025-05-02 03:10:38
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    oh you know what, i kinda already raised the issue anyway and i don't really like dancing around a topic for a veil of niceties, because i'm fed up enough dealing with people in meatspace



    enjoy, or don't, whichever
  • edited 2025-05-02 06:09:53
    There is love everywhere, I already know
    I don't spend the 30m of total free time I have per day watching John Oliver.

    But tell me GMH, are we still friends?
  • edited 2025-05-02 08:21:44
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I don't know why I got back up and onto my computer, but here I am at an even more unholy hour of night.
    But tell me GMH, are we still friends?
    Honestly, I don't know. But, since I find it awkward to dance around this, and this *is* IJBM, after all, I'll just be blunt and say, probably not.

    I think we used to be, but I gradually realized that while we had some seemingly similar interests (like anime and Japanese music) we seem to approach them in rather different ways.

    And then politics kinda happened and more differences became apparent, including some things that I definitely don't like. (And some of even which resulted in me being caught in the center of some nasty interpersonal sentiment.)


    FYI the rest of my rant was because I felt like posting a thing but felt held back by "would I upend the ceasefire on this topic area". And then I answered myself by saying "f### it". It wasn't a direct (or even relevant) response to your latest post.
  • Umm, I'd like to add: as disappointing as this whole thing is, I think it's a good thing that you two are speaking on clear terms and understand where you stand in relation to each other.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    @GMH: Well, I think it's okay if we're anti-acquiantances. I'm sorry you've gotten flack for being associated with me I guess, but I'd still like it if we could keep posting in the same threads on the same edge of the internet together if that's okay with you.
  • edited 2025-05-03 21:18:44
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Yeah, it's fine.

    I was just reminded that I wanted to post this one thing but had the problem of trying to decide whether it'd violate some unofficial ceasefire or something.
  • edited 2025-05-03 21:19:37
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I've had at least one occasion where I had to ask whether a thing I read on the internet was or was not a parody. And it was not.

    *clicks link*

    oh. lol. that.
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