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"I get more views than you do, therefore I don't have to listen to criticism"

MyrmidonMyrmidon
edited 2011-05-18 20:06:31 in General
I have not heard anyone outside of targets of Retsupuraes use this line of argumentation until recently.

Comments

  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    This isn't about TV Tropes, is it?  Because it easily could be.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    It's a Mrym thread. What do you think?
  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    To be fair, at this point, the thread could easily be about Tongpu marrying OTC, whilst Troper Tales recites song lyrics.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Curiously enough, I do agree with Myrmidon, yet I can't support him because he's so damn obnoxious about his hate.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    :(
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    No, I agree as well.  That's what my post was, agreement.  It's just that I wasn't sure if you agreed with me.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    I don't want to be obnoxious.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    dude, I like you and all, but you make threads about tropers and bitch and moan about everything.

    Yes, this is an intervention. But it's for your own good.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    If this is in reference to the comparison I made between views for Echo Chamber and views for This Troper, I made it pretty clear that I still felt they had valid criticisms.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-05-18 21:34:24
    Because you never know what you might see.
    It's not just that post.  I've heard this argument from tropers a number of times, including once on the mod board.
  • JG_PunkJG_Punk
    YO YO YO U CAN'T C ME BOUT TO SPIT SUMTIN' STOOPID!
    Angry Joe uses it a lot.  Something like "If I want criticism from someone with less than 100 subscribers I'll come to you."
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Oh, it's because of that. 

    I will say this once and I'll say it again, This Troper is just a troll show, yes, but the problem is that they make our site an easy target for trolls and for people who think that vandalising the pages would be fun. 
  • ElbeemElbeem
    If this is related to that post, then I'm not sure I understand why the actual argument wasn't addressed in the thread it was made in, as opposed to attacking a strawman version of it in a new thread.

    ^ As I said in the other thread, I have no great love for Troper Tales. I just don't think the This Troper series is harmful enough to force us to delete all TT articles throughout the site instead of focusing on eliminating or fixing the problem ones.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    It's not just them, as I also said before, there is almost no point to them at this point in time. Don Zabu, I think, said it sometime ago, that Eddie's politics are reactionary instead of fixing. Creating a place to dump all the This Troper, while sort of intuitive, is just overreacting to a trend that should not be there in the first place.

    And, even if you argue that it worked (Because it sort of of did), there's still the fact that these pages still don't contribute better to the understanding of a trope than, say, main or Laconic. So...what's the point?

    Also, it's kind of annoying that people somehow think that our argument is a barely popular YT series when it was just them that pointed it out most recently 

    /Where Juan bitches and moans without making a point and probably gets Nyarly tired and sick of this bloody argument.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    I'm sympathetic to that viewpoint. However, it has been made pretty clear over the past few months that Troper Tales is unlikely to get deleted en masse.

    The logical next step for those who feel that Troper Tales is causing major problems would be to identify the problem pages and address them individually. While this will admittedly be a lot of work, it seems like something worth doing for those who seem to be passionate about this matter.

    The thing is, I rarely see the same people who insist that Troper Tales must be done away with being willing to work on curating/flagging individual pages for deletion. It seems to be an all or nothing deal in many cases.
  • StormtroperStormtroper
    I don't want to be obnoxious.


    You need to elaborate in your OPs, man. In this very thread some of us were not sure if this was about Elbeem's comments, and we only suspected that in the first place because it happened on this site and your posting style.

    Not all of us keep up with every thread, poster or event that goes on in TV Tropes, philosophy blogs or Retsupurae. It gets tiring when often the OP is a cryptic statement and the first 10 or so post is deciphering what the subject matter is and why you hate it.

    Threads like this would fit better on others and wouldn't look as petty, but if you want to make them anyway, at least let us know what you're talking about.
  • ┻━┻ ︵ ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻┻━┻ ︵ ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻
    Tableflipper
    ...I thought this was going to mean "I understand more philosophies" than "I have more youtube views"
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I'm sympathetic to that viewpoint. However, it has been made pretty clear over the past few months that Troper Tales is unlikely to get deleted en masse. 

    True, and as I've said before, I do aknowledge that, doesn't mean I don't want that and that I'm not willing to argue in favor of it.

    The logical next step for those who feel that Troper Tales is causing major problems would be to identify the problem pages and address them individually. While this will admittedly be a lot of work, it seems like something worth doing for those who seem to be passionate about this matter.

    Except that I don't want that. I believe it's too much hassle for something so worthless. And, most importantly, the damage is already done. We have our very own thread were we dig those out for posterity, there's a YT series which purpose is to dig those out, there's a SA thread that digs those out too. Most importantly, I believe that TT's existence is just...well, a mistake, and I don't see any other way to correct that mistake than a nuke.

    The thing is, I rarely see the same people who insist that Troper Tales must be done away with being willing to work on curating/flagging individual pages for deletion. It seems to be an all or nothing deal in many cases.


    Some of us do, some of us don't. I'm of the opinion that it should be nuked to hell. It's no longer useful, it's no longer informative, it doesn't help the wiki in both its stated purpose nor in its reputation and it's too much server space that is just dedicated to people who just found out about tropes going all "LOL MY LIFE IS LIKE MY FAVE ANIME. ^_^"

    Seriosuly, all the people who defend it always seem to attack our bile and how supposedly we are bending over for trolls but I've yet to see an argument for TT's usefulness.


  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-05-19 12:59:17
    Except
    that I don't want that. I believe it's too much hassle for something so
    worthless. And, most importantly, the damage is already done. We have
    our very own thread were we dig those out for posterity, there's a YT
    series which purpose is to dig those out, there's a SA thread that digs
    those out too. Most importantly, I believe that TT's existence is
    just...well, a mistake, and I don't see any other way to correct that
    mistake than a nuke.

    While I respect your position, you have to understand how it looks to someone from the outside: mainly, that Troper Tales is a problem enough that you're willing to have it resolved by a nuke from on high, but not enough of a problem to require hard work at a personal level.

    Once it's acknowledged that the nuclear option is off the table, further arguments to that effect stop being productive, and start to look like needless griping. Anyone who feels that Troper Tales should go, but who is unwilling to put in the effort to deal with individual pages comes across as a person not being willing to put their money where their mouth is, as the saying goes.

    I can't really provide you with an argument for Troper Tales' usefulness outside of what has been stated already in the Wiki Talk thread, since I personally would not shed a tear if Eddie reversed his position and deleted them all tomorrow. That would only bug me insofar as it would be going against the consensus reached back in December during the Goon Invasion, which was a consensus Eddie himself participated in reaching.

    My point has been that, given the reality that some editors want them to stay and Eddie has twice indicated that there would be no mass deletion, the only option left for those who feel the need to protect the site's reputation is to deal with the pages individually. Whether they have the will to do so is the only remaining question.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Is this similar to how people with higher post counts on other forums think that their word is law and cannot be rebuked? or how people with a higher ranking on certain games/tournaments will do the same?
  • NoimportaNoimporta
    Is this similar to how people with higher post counts on other forums
    think that their word is law and cannot be rebuked? or how people with a
    higher ranking on certain games/tournaments will do the same?

    Similar, but not the same. Since postcounts only indicate how much time a person dedicates to a forum, not the actual reputation level of said user. As for the latter, it's the inverse, someone's ranking in a game is usually an indication of their skill and therefore their opinion on the game itself has more weight depending on it.
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