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I'd ask if it is indeed so that gender roles change, or rather that some men enjoy a show for little girls while still adhering to the same roles otherwise.
That'd be perfect.
You mean school uniform or pilot outfit? 'cos, I think the latter looks more like a race queen outfit than a cheerleader's. Which is why it's totally hawt.
Oh yeah, there's also Ultraman Cosmos, where the hero's theme is "true strength comes from gentleness", and he's named after a flower (although "Cosmos" still sounds outer-spacey) I'm not actually sure if it's good, though.
So, if I asked "Is MLP:FIM changing perceptions of gender-specific media?", would the answer be "yes"?
However, Mai-HiME is most definitely a show catering toward male viewers.
This is probably what I was thinking of when making this thread. That said, it's arguably a reworded restatement of the OP video's point -- it's just that you're implicitly presuming "masculinity" and "femininity" to be fixed sets of traits, rather than the OP video which uses the terms to refer to "what stereotypical [men/women] are associated with".
Your comment and the above one I quoted seem to highlight that we need a good discussion about what, exactly, the terms "feminine" and "masculine" mean.
batten down the hatches men
^^ What, things turning into glitter dust isn't girly to you?
Eh, my perspective on things is probably kinda warped anyway.
Didn't know that, considering all the relationship drama and relatively weak action early on. (Kagutsuchi in particular deserved more screentime)
^ Well, it's more like, to me, it looks pretty in a bright way, which I guess is something that's stereotypically associated with girls. But I don't think it's girly by itself.
^^ men only?
do you see any women besides me in here
no?
didn't think so
Don't we have at least two more peeps who identify as womenfolk? And that one lurking dudette with the HAL9000 avatar who isn't comfortable discussing genderstuff on a male-dominated forum?
Anyhow, such a discussion would be pretty much an echo of the previous threads if my summary is correct: gender is a social construct, misogyny is bad in meatspace but please don't bother with niche entertainment, SJW peeps do more damage than good, ending in speculation and semantic wank until everybody gets bored and forgets it for the next half year.
Pretty sure Nova just meant in this thread.
Yeah, on the forum we do. Not in this thread.
Yeah, there's a distressing lack of gender balance on this board.
Hey, I'm the least represented category, unless there's a lot more of you who'd like a "nothing" option for gender-related box-ticking.
Eh, guess so. Although if I'm recalling Nexus correctly Ren Sejyu (the third guy who transforms into Ultraman)'s cheery personality would fit in really well with a moe-type series. Besides being a little dead inside.
Say, what do "sometimes a fist, sometimes a flower" and "power that begins from gentleness, that is a hero" sound like to you? (those are lyrics from the Ultraman Cosmos theme)
If you're asking what gender I associate those quotes with, neither.
More of a "what does that say about the show" kinda question. 'specially since it comes from an action-driven franchise.
Well, my first question is, does the show actually manifest these ideas? Or is it just cheap talk in an action show, like Mega Man fighting for everlasting peace?
It actually does carry the idea out. Cosmos starts out with two forms, one representing "the gentle light of the blue moon" (or something like that), and the other representing strength. The gentle form being his default state (I think). His finishing moves are "tame/exorcise the monster" or "blow up the monster". He manages to de-evilfy the final boss, even.
Post-series, there's a movie where they try to get the monsters to a new home on another planet. Also of note is Cosmos reappearing in Ultraman Saga, and there's an exchange that goes like this:
Which he does, when the thing comes back. And remember it's "Cosmos" as in the flower.
Possibly? But no more than, say, Bridesmaids, in my opinion.
Yeah, I guess. Though I was trying to gauge how much discussion there might be over how changeable these social constructs are, since just in this thread I can see people using language implying that the constructs are changing and language implying that the changes are simply variations in circumstance relative to the constructs.
If bronies are changing the idea of masculinity, so are moe fans.
There's no actual challenge of gender roles or desire to change the status quo. If anything there seems to be more insistence on pushing My Little Pony into an area that doesn't harm their fragile masculinity. Instead of saying 'if watching MLP isn't masculine I don't want to be masculine' they go 'MLP is totally a boys' cartoon! See?'
In my opinion, the constructs aren't chaging so much as how much do they matter. People are starting to realize, at one point or another, that they come from older times and are based in skewed perceptions of reality. The constructs never really change. They just become slightly irrelevant as time goes by. Or at least, that's how I see it from my short experience as a human being.
...that is so going in my resumé
Experience: 1993-2012: Human Being at Earth
No more than 50+ posts of sperging over the implications of memes on gender expectations.
I mean really now, this is an unusual occurrence but not exactly a deep one.
Actually, the more unfortunate fact is that this thread gets 50 posts, while a thread I made almost concurrently about sexual harassment and abuse of women in Egypt gets like 2 posts.
I can comment on bronies with more knowledge and less chance of looking like an asshole though.
You actually have to think a bit to say something about sexual harassment and abuse of women in Egypt.
Ninja'd.
Just because a topic is important doesn't mean there's really a ton to say about it. Like, what would that thread be if it got more replies? Two pages of "that's horrible"?
It's because of >no hooves.
In all seriousness, I now remember an interesting article on vigilante anti-harassment bros in Egypt. Dumping it noa.
so what you're saying is
Unfortunately, I haven't pilfered the worst from the spaghetti threads, but this goes a long way: