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Maggie Thatcher is dead. Rot In Pieces!
Mwahahahah! One of the most evil, vile, destructive and racist women in British politics, who tore my beloved country to pieces with her bare hands.
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Shamelessly stolen from IJBM poster Saigyouji:
you know this whole shamelessly stealing should be seen to
Isn't being evil, vile, destructive and racist a prerequisite to being a politician?
That is only to be expected. She's the British Reagan. But, sourced stuff, shamelessly SA plundered:
mental illnesses, causing increase in number of homelessness, pensioners
with MI, and suicides: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false http://libcom.org/news/article.php/...ovision-250406 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2263690.stm
two recessions--that she stoked the embers of the Falklands to bring war
with Argentina and used excessive force on the miner's strikes to boost
her popularity with the base: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...epage&q&f=false
proliferated under her government and her used in place of local
government authorities to push through her reforms and increase
centralised power by Whitehall, even though she was 'anti-State': http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...epage&q&f=false
e: Just adding the couple I had before:
cabinet minister suggesting 'concentration camps for AIDs victim' (afaik
the latter never came close to government policy but included for sheer
WTF-ness): http://inourwordsblog.com/2011/12/13/2425/ http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/200912110006
Agreed with Icalasari. Just read a big article showing twitter reactions to her death and it was really 50/50. Confused me.
I don't usually go with Gravedancing except under the most extreme cases, but I think it is a little warranted.
Essentially, she was loved by the rich, and loathed by everyone else.
I can't be on the side of anyone who has thoughts like her's against Homosexuals.
Yeah, I'm usually against gravedancing, but Thatcher was beyond vile. Some terrible people at least seem to have a facsimile of an excuse -- as terrible as even Hitler was, for instance, he appeared to genuinely do what he did out of love for (his idea of) the German people. But Thatcher was a different kind of terrible, a kind very carefully calculated and executed under a benefactor's facade. May she be swiftly forgotten.
Margaret Thatcher: now officially worse than Hitler!
There is a lot to be said about a person's motives, afterall, modern day courts are careful to take that kind of thing into account. I believe the interpretation is that, while what hitler achieved was crimes against humanity, the motivation behind said actions were rather pure and simple (betterment of the Germanic people).
Only the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men, and we're not him. I don't think any of us can divine a person's motives.
^^^, see ^^. The idea isn't that either was "worse" or "better", but that motivations are an important consideration, alongside means. History is full of terrible people who believed entirely in the rightness of their cause. What those people did isn't by any stretch good, but it's easy to see where they were coming from; it's the other kind of villain I'm more concerned about, because they gain even more widespread tolerance by hiding their goals and appealing to the lowest common denominator.
A range of Western presidents and prime ministers haven't been held accountable for their crimes, for instance. CEOs of large multinationals enjoy the same immunity from the law. And those people have done horrible things, even if not directly. A politician, today, isn't often held accountable for a policy that causes widespread damage to medical care, for instance. In fact, the victims of those policies might accept them with open arms.
You would have to prove Thatcher's motivations have been worse than Hitler's.
That's a matter of interpretation, and I don't want to get bogged down in this "worse than Hitler" thing because it's a historical can of worms (especially given that the Nazi regime took the shape it did because of a collective of like-minded people, so a lot of Hitlerisms don't belong to Hitler and whatnot, but other Nazi officers or politicians with significant influence).
Some earlier posts in this thread have some great examples of Thatcher targeting people through economic policies, if that's what you're looking for.
And Hitler's been targeting people through iron sights.
Helping train the Khmer Rouge didn't do that?
Khmer Rouge, as far as I know, is a pretty good example of the villain who did everything for the betterment of mankind. As for Thatcher helping them, surely that would mean her motivations were as pure as Hitler's, right?
What Saigy said. There's no lack of modern Western leaders who've funded foreign militaries or paramilitiaries in order to achieve something without making themselves the obvious culprit. Even the Obama administration continues to rack up civilian casualties through Predator drone strikes for no other reason that a previous president began an economically colonialist war. And further back than that, the US funding and training of the mujahideen paramilitary as a strike against Russia enabled the incident of 2001, which has given authoritarian elements of Western governments world-over excuses to restrict civil liberties. Apart from ending thousands of lives in one day.
Hitler was bad, perhaps the worst if you want to count severity in terms of casualties, but the scale of World War II doesn't change the kind of morality we're talking about. Mostly, he's the posterboy for the villainous dictatorial concept. Similar people survive and thrive today, and some of those determine what policies we live under.
^ To the same extent that US motivations were pure for helping the mujahideen. In that they weren't and she exploited the skills of dangerous-but-naive people for her own benefit.
and now, the rebellious pseudoconservative will rail against popular opinion to grant himself a sense of smug self-satisfaction.
let's watch.
You say it like I am not already full of smugness.
there is something very wrong about that man's hand.
@MadassAlex & @Saigyouji: As much as most of what you two are saying is true, I find it pretty ridiculous that you should even come close to comparing Thatcher to Hitler. I have an unabashed loathing of that species of race-baiting authoritarian plutocracy and even I would not go that far. Thatcher's policies will continue to ruin people's lives to this day; Hitler's wilfully eliminated a large chunk of the European population. Even if both are evil, the scales and parameters are completely different.
Again, maybe it's the whole queer and Jewish thing flaring up in me, but seriously: Compare totalitarians to totalitarians and leave it there.
I never directly compared Thatcher to Hitler. I was just stating that if you are going to mention Hitler's bodycount, it is amiss to ignore Thatcher's.
^^ This sounds almost like you take my side.
Dammit, I was just getting into my persona of rebellious pseudoconservative railing against popular opinion for sake of a sense of smug self-satisfaction.
Motivations are a not a very good thing to judge non-fictional people on.
^^^ Directly? No. But you were flirting with it, enough that I was becoming uncomfortable. You do understand this, don't you?
I have to say, I find it really funny when one-sentence remarks elicit multi-paragraph responses and stuff.
And yeah, what is there to discuss? They're both shitty people. There's no need to go any further into it than that. None of you owe the world your opinion.