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Religious apologists and antitheists insulting one another
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I'm sorry, but i gotta disagree. Both sides are at fault there, not just
antitheism. Both because most religious people dismiss what atheist and
antitheists have to say and atheist dismiss what religious people have
to say. Even when the subject is not about religion.
I actually agree you on that so I guess I was unclear earlier. I apologize if I made it seem like religious people are always right since that was definitely not my point.
CaptainFargle,
Unity is not worth the damage that religion inflicts upon society.
I think that looking at the conversation from here onward might give some more background for my perspective here.
As for the original point, I think that the chances that you will be able to get rid of religion (or that anyone will) are incredibly slim. That is why I think that unity is better. I believe that it is not only more practical, but that through making an honest attempt to understand each person's perspective we can cut down on the damage that other things like petty grudges, hate, and religiously-fueled violence do to society. I feel like it is a lot more pragmatic to try to tackle those issues together rather than apart.
I might have some bias here though since I may not have seen the kind of negative stuff from theists that others may have.
That's your fucking problem right there.
People don't need to prove something exists to believe in it. That's why it's called believing. It doesn't fucking matter if it's fake or not, whether or not that it can proven to exist or right, or that it has been proven that it doesn't exist. As long as you tell yourself it's real, none of that shit matters. Call it insanity, stupidity or naivete if you wish. That shouldn't matter to you because YOU are not the one doing it and what they think and believe has absolfuckinglutely no effect on you.
This whole "Your God doesn't have proof that he exists, therefore your religion is invalid" bullshit gets tedious and annoying because of the fact that it's the core beliefs are what matters, and most people need the "God part" so that they either are intimidated into not doing bad, or feel right in helping others in need. There is nothing wrong with that.
Rather than attacking the "God isn't real" part (which hasn't worked for over 200 years or more), or trying to disestablish something that you should just leave by itself, how about you try to disestablish the arguments and actions of the less-than-reasonable insane/crazy/stupid people who are also religious?
Hell, the world would be a better place without insane bigoted fuckfaces anyway, it doesn't matter if they wave the flags of god in your face or not, or they wave the flags of indifference in your face either.
I like religion as a set of core values. It has worked for me that far, and even when we scour every fiber of existence and find out there is no God, I will still refuse to murder or steal from another person and respect their privacy. Not because it's illegal, but because I have no right over another person's life or any right over possessions they own, and when you respect another person, and they respect you, then very few problems are had. This can be accomplished easily amongst others with the same set of values, which is why sharing your belief system with others helps people understand how to convey this respectful environment. No, this is not the same thing as the Crusades, Televangelism or Forcing Religion on other people because if you don't believe in the same thing, you can just ignore it. People will not badger you to agree with their religion in this system.
But of course since God doesn't exist I am a retard for treating others with respect because my religion dictated it, right? Oh woe is me. Well maybe things will be better in Heave- oh wait, my heaven is a lie you say? Well I guess I should live my life with much vigor and happi- Wait, I can't do that either? looks like I will have to sulk in morbidity and rot in the dirt. My bad.
Deal with the fact that people think God exists. The unexistence or death of God should generally be something the people themselves must come to terms with, and not by the sharp bile-tainted tongues of wannabe Satanic LaVeyan dipshits, Nietzsche cocksuckers, and anti-theist pricks. Hell, even their family members are better people for this kind of thing.
And your statement is analogous to the idea that all black people are crooks because.................all black people are crooks.
existence and find out there is no God, I will still refuse to murder or
steal from another person and respect their privacy. Not because it's
illegal, but because I have no right over another person's life or any
right over possessions they own, and when you respect another person,
and they respect you, then very few problems are had. This can be
accomplished easily amongst others with the same set of values, which is
why sharing your belief system with others helps people understand how
to convey this respectful environment."
The thing is, the things you're describing have nothing intrinsically to do with your religion.
also, >implying right and wrong
Besides, why shouldn't religion be the be-all end-all of your actions? If an omnipotent, omniscient being says you should be doing something or doing things in a certain way or face judgement, I'd think doing exactly what he says should be pretty high up, as far as priorities go. The highest, even, to the exclusion of all else.
But really, I'm just bitter that I couldn't get into the religion thing while it was still fresh, and Scientology already has the one big segment of the market I might have had a real change with.
Nice try, straw baler. That is assuming that everyone who believes in God bases their actions on something you didn't even specify and is very ambiguous. Ambiguous arguments are nice, aren't they? They can be interpreted as anything you wish and can refute any points they make later, but in general it's just sentence filler.
Aside from the egregrious amount of overdramatic ramblings, I can safely say you are very fixated on the "bad religious" people and have a huge amount of seething hatred for them for these Crusader-like "IM A GOD WARRIOR" delusions you are having. Yes people like that exist. They would be like that regardless if religion was in their lives or not. Crazy people will be crazy, you know. If it's not God, then it's the local drug dealer's Weed Ghost, or the Probe Sattelite, or Cthulhu or Voldemort or any other being that they can throw themselves upon as an idol or god. You seem to be more of a anti-theist to be a dick to those who believe in God rather than...whatever the fuck Anti-theism is REALLY about since I only know what it's supposed to be about due to the Internet filth and no really reasonable people to talk to about it.
@INUH: Why does there need to be a reason?
Not on my end. :<