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Dang and Heck

edited 2011-08-20 19:41:00 in General
I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
Or the idea that Damn and Hell need mild versions.

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  • You can change. You can.
    This bothers me too. 

    Specially as Spanish doesn't have those and we were saying those since...well, 8-10 years old? --shrug--
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    They are never used in the UK. (Unless you live in Yorkshire, 'Ecky thump' but they talk weird oop north.)

    Damn and hell aren't considered serious words, they are in fact about as rude/shocking as using bloody/bleeding.
  • No rainbow star
    ^ My mom considers bloody (if used as a cuss) just as bad as fuck
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^
    I'm quite shocked, are you from the US?
    (As I'd hear that bloody was rarely used over there.)
  • In the US, at least, no matter how "mild" a word is, parents will reprimand their children for any words that are supposed to resemble anything offensive. To this day my mother still freaks out whenever she hears me say "damn" or "hell".

    And I've never really heard anyone use "bloody" seriously here. The few times it is used it's almost always for comic effect.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    "Heck, I'm taller than you."

    "TOMPKINS MADE A SWEAR!"
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    See in general damn, hell and bloody are so mild to be considered non offensive to all but to very elderly people.
  • No rainbow star
    ^^^^ Canada actually. But Canadian and US culture tend to have a lot of overlap, so...
  • I have a problem with people having a problem with swearing in general.

    Efforts to try to get people to stop using "gay" and "retard" derogatorily are also pretty gaytarded.
  • a little muffled
    "Bloody" is more common in Canada than the States, I think. Still not super-common, but around here you can say it without people asking if you're British at least.

    "Damn" I think is pretty mild most everywhere at this point. "Hell" is apparently still considered quite rude among conservative Christians in the States, which I find weird.
  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!
    This is nothing. I knew a Mormon family that refused to say even "darn" or "heck", and thought the word "hate" in any context was offensive.
  • I think people who swear are gosh darned, heckbound cunts.
  • I could've sworn I posted in this thread /paranoia.

    Gosh darned it all to heck!
  • Kichigai birthday!!
    Hijos de mil leches
  • edited 2011-08-21 15:38:39
    Loser
    Gelzo,
    I have a problem with people having a problem with swearing in general.

    I recognize that I have my own bias with this, but I think the reasons for disliking swearing are pretty straightforward.

    Basically, from what I have seen and heard, different phrasing and word choices dramatically alter the meaning of what someone says. Using particularly harsh words may be upsetting to people in the same way that using an angry or loud tone would. If you want to appear kind and approachable, then I believe that it makes a lot of sense to not use swears.

    One may argue that swearing in a friendly tone does not have that effect. I agree that to some extent those negatives are diminished in such situations. Still, I think it is undeniable that curse words have certain connotations (just like any other word) and just because someone does not scream those curse words does not mean those connotations do not exist.

    In a sense, I believe that it makes sense to not curse as a precaution because people you do not know really well may not know your intention and may be offended.
  • No rainbow star
    ^^^^^ My mom also hates 'hate' being used unless you're a certain age at which point she gives up, because you, "can never actually hate something, only dislike it"

    That age seems to be, "Once you move out"

    Best part of all is that she swears quite a bit
  • edited 2011-08-21 23:51:49
    Pony Sleuth
    ^^I get what you're saying, and I guess I can agree that there are cases where swearing is ill-advised. It's just that the people who actively try to repress swearing seem to be against it in any case, and that's something I find a little nuts. It really feels like a lot of the people who absolutely refuse to swear are cutting off some of the range of expression that would be healthy to express.

    It's kinda like weed. When people say they're against it, I generally take that to mean that they're against its use in all normal cases and I disagree with that. I still think it's a bad idea to go to work high, just like I think it's a bad idea to cuss out your boss.

    "you, "can never actually hate something, only dislike it""

    That's insane. If it really is impossible to hate, that just means she's using a different definition of hatred than people who truthfully claim to experience it.
  • edited 2011-08-22 14:14:39
    Loser
    Gelzo,
    I get what you're saying, and I guess I can agree that there are cases where swearing is ill-advised. It's just that the people who actively try to repress swearing seem to be against it in any case, and that's something I find a little nuts. It really feels like a lot of the people who absolutely refuse to swear are cutting off some of the range of expression that would be healthy to express.

    I think what you said makes some sense, but I wonder if the range of expression that you are cutting off is really healthy to express anyway. I am not sure if I completely understand why people swear, but I tend to think that do it when they are really angry or upset. Obviously, being furious or depressed is not fun and being able to express your emotions makes sense.

    Still, while something could be said for having a release valve, there are other ways to deal with your emotions than cursing out loud, many of which do not have the potential consequence of collateral damage. For example, some people use distractions like playing games or going for a walk to calm themselves down a bit.

    Plus, if we agree that there are cases where swearing is ill-advised (whatever those cases may be), then a case could be made that cursing, regardless of context, will make you more likely to curse in the bad situations we mentioned earlier. Basically, if you refrain from swearing entirely, I think you are less likely to curse in situations where it would be particularly harmful for you to do so because you will not have built up that habit.

    Icalasari,
    My mom also hates 'hate' being used unless you're a certain age at which point she gives up, because you, "can never actually hate something, only dislike it"

    I can agree with the idea that people should avoiding hating people as best they can. As far as I can tell, hate tends to make it difficult for you to think straight or appreciate things for what they really are. That being said, trying to avoid using the word "hate" entirely seems about as silly to me as not saying "die" because you fear death. I do not think that pretending something like hate does not exist is a good way to deal with it.
  • Even if there are alternate methods, it doesn't mean that they're optimal or realistic in the situation. Let's say you're in a great deal of pain and can't do anything about it. Swearing is something that can be cathartic, and I'd hate to see someone suffer that much more because they have to spend some of their focus and energy holding back something natural.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    "John Atkins and Andrew Kingston of Keele University, UK, were wondering something similar when they asked volunteers to immerse a hand in icy water and to either swear or to say something neutral. Saying something unprintable "increased pain tolerance, increased heart rate and decreased perceived pain compared with not swearing" 

  • edited 2011-08-22 14:33:46
    Loser
    Gelzo,
    Even if there are alternate methods, it doesn't mean that they're optimal or realistic in the situation. Let's say you're in a great deal of pain and can't do anything about it. Swearing is something that can
    be cathartic, and I'd hate to see someone suffer that much more because they have to spend some of their focus and energy holding back something natural.


    While I think you may be right that swearing could be cathartic in such a situation, I am not sure that it could ever really be called an optimal reaction. Even though some of the alternate methods I mentioned may be off limits in such situations, I think that others that are more mental in nature such as counting to ten, thinking of something more calming, or even going "to your happy place" are still available and I do not believe they carry the same risks that cursing does.

    I do not think that someone is going to really suffer that more because he or she did not curse and even if I feel like it would be a minimal difference that would be made up for with a long term gain. I wish I could read the article IanExMachina mentioned though.

    Granted, I accept that I being a bit of stickler about this. Even though I certainly believe swearing is a negative behavior, I understand that it often only has a limited negative impact. I think the main thing for me is that I see it as impolite and unprofessional and being particularly concerned with not sounding harsh to other people, I refrain from doing it. Still, I certainly try not to look down on other people for cursing since I understand that it is fairly common.

  • I think the very fact that you're uncomfortable about swearing is a clue that it's a good thing to do when in pain. It's certainly not necessarily polite, but that's sort of the point. I see it as something primal and instinctual. You don't go to your happy place when you're fighting a war, you cuss out that motherfucker that's shooting at you and get your blood pumping. It's hard to let people know that shit is getting real unless you let yourself say shit.

    It's also a way to signal to others that you're in an informal gathering where it's okay to dispense of the standard rules and be more honest about things. When someone allows themself to swear casually in this situation, I don't see it as anti-social at all.
  • edited 2011-08-22 16:10:49
    Loser
    Gelzo,
    I think the very fact that you're uncomfortable about swearing is a clue that it's a good thing to do when in pain. It's certainly not necessarily polite, but that's sort of the point. I see it as something primal and instinctual.

    I think I can see what you mean about swearing being somewhat primal an instinctual, but I feel like cursing is definitely tied to cultural and social norms. After all, it seems to me that what gives a swear the negative connotation we discussed earlier is the society that places that meaning in it. In that respect, I do not believe that avoiding curse words in order to be polite is less instinctual than swearing when in a great deal of pain. They both seem to me to be incredibly tied to the norms of society and are taught by that society.

    I agree that cursing can be an effective way to let other people know that you are serious. Still, I feel like there are other ways to do that including using a certain tone of voice or a specific facial expression.

    Swearing might get your blood pumping, sure, but I am not sure that is necessarily a good thing a lot of the time. I think having enthusiasm can be great, but getting wrapped up in emotions could stop you from doing the right thing because you are consumed by passion.
  • My mother finds profanity unnecessary and more importantly thinks it makes a person come off as crude and uncouth or whatever, and so has been strict about keeping me from swearing. While she acknowledges damn and hell as being the lowest tier of swearing, it still falls in the forbidden zone. Dang and heck, however, are perfectly acceptable substitutes.

    She doesn't do anything to stop my dad from swearing somewhat frequently, but at least I can say she's not being hypocritical. She literally never swears, and I don't think she ever did, even when she was my age.

    I'm 21 and halfway through college now, and I've been swearing in all forms privately/while alone since late high school, and use damn and hell as much as anyone else around friends, but I'm still reluctant to use the top tier around anyone, though I'm sure I would if something bad/really surprising/whatever happened.

    I also have a tendency to make weird noises in lieu of profanity. 
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    I find my swearing depends on context.
    Cunt and fuck and the like are really only used 'with the lads' or in similar situations.

    Otherwise the only times I'm likely to swear is if I've stubbed my toe or injured myself, and even then they won't be as 'bad' as cunt or fuck.
  • I don't think I really say cunt. Can't think of many cases where it doesn't sound off.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    It helps if you have a 'British' accent.
  • You can change. You can.
    Cunt is a fun word. 
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    They've clearly never heard a person from Sheffield speak.
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