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"You're not really a gamer."

MalkavianMalkavian
edited 2011-10-02 21:34:19 in General
MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
Oh fuck you. I play video games. Just because I don't play some title on the NES does not mean I suddenly do not have this hobby.

Comments

  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    Really, I would take that as a compliment.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    We all know you don't play video games, Malk. ;)
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    It's OK, Dantes. We all know you don't play games so much as pretend you do. ;)
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Right. I play interactive media experiences.  (puts on monocle)
  • SchitzoSchitzo
    They're somethin' else.
    Did bringing up Signed inspire this thread?
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    "Right. I play interactive media experiences."

    That's a trend I dislike about video games, but that's just me.

  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    ^^Among other things.

    ^It annoys me, but if we want gaming to be accepted as art form, me new need pretentious beard-strokers.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-10-02 21:45:35
    For a while, I was thinking about making a debating thread about whether games are art (my position being that games are not art), but I didn't have the energy to think up an argument at the time.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^^ But I don't have a beard.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    It's OK, Dantes. We all know you don't play games so much as pretend you do. ;)


    Wha-- wait, you're thinking about all those times I said I get high, right? Hey! Don't jump to conclusions! I play games while I'm high!

    ^It annoys me, but if we want gaming to be accepted as art form, me new need pretentious beard-strokers.


    ... Does this mean I need to stop shaving?

    For a while, I was thinking about making a thread about how games are not art, but I didn't have the energy to think up an argument at the time.


    I'd help out, but I really don't care who is right in that argument since "art" is yet another word that can mean anything and therefore means nothing.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Thank you, Dantes. I am not imagining Moe Howard dressed in elegant aristocrat clothing with a bushy beard.

    I didn't want to sleep tonight anyways.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    I'm mostly concerned with the label because I feel that it could lead to a trend where developers try to make games more of an art at the expense of the "game" part. I already find it a little odd that games are defined by experience rather than challenge nowadays.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2011-10-02 21:52:53
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    That's always a risk, but I'd rather risk some pretentious and ambitious failures than risk being the same concepts continually recycled.

    Let's not forget 90% of everything is crap and that will be true of gaming no matter what shifts it goes through.
  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    Meh, the only reason that games were ever defined by challenge was to milk quarters out of kids in arcades.

    There are plenty of ways to make a good other than making it hard.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Wha-- wait, you're thinking about all those times I said I get high, right? Hey! Don't jump to conclusions! I play games while I'm high!

    You know, Dantes. I'm not exactly your best friend, so when I say I honestly would enjoy a High!Dantes LP of any game of your choice, then I want you to understand I truly mean it. --nods--
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    I'm mostly concerned with the label because I feel that it could lead to a trend where developers try to make games more of an art at the expense of the "game" part.


    Yeah I don't want every company to be like SquareEnix either.

    Meh, the only reason that games were ever defined by challenge was to milk quarters out of kids in arcades.


    Keep in mind that nobody held a gun to those kids heads and forced them to play. They did it because they enjoyed it.

    And I can't blame 'em one bit. In fact when I have to access higher parts of my consciousness to beat Vega then that's "art" right there.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    He's not saying that challenge is necessarily bad. He's saying that a game doesn't have to challenging to be good.

    And for every Castlevania or Street Fighter 2's, there were five games that were simply obtuse.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-10-02 22:05:19
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    You know, Dantes. I'm not exactly your best friend, so when I say I honestly would enjoy a High!Dantes LP of any game of your choice, then I want you to understand I truly mean it. --nods--


    Whenever I get the hardware to record such a thing, you can bet you'll get one.

    He's not saying that challenge is necessarily bad. He's saying that a game doesn't have to challenging to be good.


    In that respect, I'll agree. A lot of my favorite games are actually piss-easy (namely the RPGs).
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Good sauce. 

    Anyway, onto discussion. And to put it simply...

    I don't see why the market can't have both types of games and I don't see why enjoying both kinds of games is necessarily mutually exclusive. That said, I enjoy much more experience gaming where the creator tries to use th medium in order to comment on the medium itself than challenge gaming. 

    But I'm an artfag, so I don't put that standard up to everybody.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    ^Somehow our Movie industry had both Black Swan and Transformers 3 with a year so I don't see why gaming can't be the same.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Yeah I don't see why gamers often break into two camps either. My loving MGS and various FF games doesn't stop me from wanting to shoot the shit out of aliens.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Because clearly you either like fluffy action or serious arthaus. THERE IS NO BOTH OR IN BETWEEN! SO SAYS THE TASTE GESTAPO!
  • EvergreenEvergreen
    Thread Hop: I actively will note IRL that I don't consider myself a gamer. Compared to my friends, I barely play any video games. Haven't even touched a controller since late August, and that was just to screw around in GTA IV at a friend's house. And that was at the time also the first time I'd picked up a controller in months...

    ...my situation really isn't relevant to this thread, is it?

    My definition of a gamer: Anyone who plays video or computer games regularly and (slightly more extended definition) considers it one of their main pastimes. Simple as that.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    If you think you're a gamer you're a gamer, basically.
  • DYREDYRE

    Really, I would take that as a compliment. 


    Anyway, artfaggy games are cool and I enjoy them.  At least in principle.  Most of them suck, but most of anything sucks I guess.  

    The idea that the way to make your game more meaningful is to make it more like a movie (telling story exclusively through cutscenes, replacing gameplay with quicktime events) is kind of silly and is something I'd rather see games move away from (at least in general, not really all games), so I'm not a huge fan of games being highly story-driven, currently.  Not to say I don't like such games, but I think it's not a very good use of the medium.

    And anyway yeah, I agree that there's no reason all games should be forced into one particular type.

  • LouieWLouieW
    Loser
    Abyss_Worm,
    Really, I would take that as a compliment.

    I kind of agree with this, but I wonder if it is actually its own sort of elitism (i.e. the idea that being a gamer is a bad thing).

    That being said, is there any actual reason to be considered a "real gamer" or is this just more of a name-calling thing? If it is the latter, then I agree that it is pretty silly to care about dividing people into "real gamers" and "fake gamers" since all it does is just marginalize people in a fairly arbitrary way. If it is the former, then I would be interested in hearing the benefits of being able to claim that one was actually a "gamer."

    On a somewhat related note, why does anyone really need recognition from others about their hobbies? I mean, sure it is probably nice to not be considered a total outcast because of one's hobbies, but I think the distinction is being made here by people in the same fandom so it does not even have that potential impact.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-10-03 19:50:35
    "Abyss_Worm,
    Really, I would take that as a compliment.

    I kind of agree with this, but I wonder if it is actually its own sort of elitism (i.e. the idea that being a gamer is a bad thing)."

    Don't mind me. I'm just being bitter and disillusioned.

    V Yeah, that was stupid. (hey, wait a minute....)

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    tell me you didn't just pothole a trope unironically. 
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