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In a way it wasn't surprising. I've been a dandy. Behaving as a Christian gentleman in front of middle class liberals was inflammatory when Baudelaire did it, and only gotten more and more so as the Overton window has moved left with each generation.
Thank you for the welcome, sir!
stupid starcraft...
-AHEM-
"It's weirdly heartwarming to see that I inspired a giant thread here.
And why IS Tongpu's homicidal mania inoffensive while being
old-fashioned is?"
When someone says "I think it would fine and dandy if humanity were obliterated", people go "oh huh, that's a weird thing to say". It's not offensive just... weird. But when you insult the gay community, it's taken seriously, as opposed to an audacious claim that people are better dead.
Also, I would like to denote that while things are mostly fair, the fact remains that if you are going to run the show and demonstrate unpopular opinions, you MUST be very careful about what you say - more so than anyone else. You are held to a higher standard, and should live up to that. So I shall now cross post what I said from another thread:
YOU SHOULD KNOW AND RESPECT YOUR AUDIENCE.
Don't go insulting them. Even if it is "impersonal", keep in mind that at least 25% of the community is LGBT, and at least 90% is pro-gay. And when you insult something people consider defining of their character, people WILL take it personally.
tl;dr
Please be careful and think.
Christian gentleman in front of middle class liberals was inflammatory
when Baudelaire did it, and only gotten more and more so as the Overton window has moved left with each generation.
For what it's worth, it's because you carry such an arrogant attitude, heavily implying ("behaving as a Christian gentleman") the superiority of your philosophy--which of course is completely consistent with your belief that your philosophy is better than those of others anyway.
Nope, but from Fighteer's comments he was banned for threads he posts in turning to crap about his views, which is caused by his debating tactics.
...which I suppose is as good a reason for banning as any. Nevermind me.
I'm not saying that you are totally at fault for the reactions you often get in OTC. Far from it. However, temporary bans like this are meant to serve as a period of introspection for the bannee to look at his or her own behavior, and try to see what they might be doing to contribute to the problem.
If you can find absolutely no fault of your own in all of this, then there may honestly be no help for you. I'm not saying this to attack you, I'm giving you my honest opinion in the hopes that you can make the changes necessary to remain a fixture of the TVTropes community.
needed to justify the idea that Beholderess of all people is worse than
Tongpu in some mysterious unverifiable way that only people who are on
the opposite end of the political scale from her are able to notice
To be fair, an argument for that could be made, and this one would be quite interested in hearing it. It might even turn out to be true.
needed to justify the idea that Beholderess of all people is worse than
Tongpu in some mysterious unverifiable way that only people who are on
the opposite end of the political scale from her are able to notice, or
was Rottweiler the only one who gets that treatment?"
I'm pretty sure that's completely impossible to do without some serious manipulation. Beholderess seems to me to be one of those folk whom everyone likes, regardless of personal opinion. She's described herself as misotheist, which is basically as contrary to a Christian view as possible, but she is still my favorite forum goer.
EDIT: ^Oh hey, speak of the angel.
I suppose I could try to think of something like that if wished for me to do so.
I do requests.
You're referring to my post, right?
I think you're missing the point. First off, Tongpu does not spout his views in places like Yack Fest where telling depressed people to kill themselves would indeed impede a productive forum (if he has, feel free to show me the post and I'll revise my position). He hangs out in OTC where that kind of thing is meant to be discussed. Can it lead to less suffering and/or greater happiness if a depressed person kills herself? If you dig serious discussions (and presumably you do if you spend time in OTC), this is the kind of question that contributes to a fun and productive forum.
I'll say it right now--I'm a big fan of Tongpu's posts. I think he is rigorously logical, very precise in his words, and occasionally darkly hilarious. And almost always right. It perplexes me how much people hate him and think he should be banned (at least for the same reasons other people get banned from TVTropes). Sorry that I keep asking the question, and I promise that it isn't rhetorical: can you show me a post of his you think is banworthy? After reading 150 or so posts I have seen one thump and mod edit, so I know the objectionable stuff (objectionable as far as keeping the forum fun and productive) is there in some capacity. But it's rare.
Condescension and a superiority feeling are important parts of being a gentleman. Gotta fight these Godless egalitarian deMOCKratic ideals that are responsible for the mercantilist, degenerate state of our society.
Or something.
The fuck? Beholderess wasn't banned and nobody was saying anything about that. She left the forum in protest. Which is fully within her rights.